Bumped [Diocese of Georgia] Episcopal Campus Ministry at GSU: “What Episcopalians Are Like”
[This week is “Diocese of Georgia Meltdown Week” and so we’re bumping a few of the stories from the past that let us all know why the diocese is where it is today.]
Hard, really, to know where to begin since practically every word is riddled. Let’s see. We have communion of the unbaptized—in violation of the canons. There’s the now-usual Christology muddle, and then there’s the usual humanity-muddle as well.
But the real laugher—I mean, the absolutely Bald-Faced Whopper—is the breezy notion that we are a “diverse” church. Check out this statement:
One of the coolest things about being Episcopalian is that there are all different kinds. Conservatives, liberals, funny people, serious people, black folks, white folks, Hispanics, and Asians can all be Episcopalian. Some are old, and some are young. Some are straight, and some are gay.
Um, I mean—there are a truly infinitesimal number of “black folks” [wow—great hipster cool groovy lingo there—that’ll appeal to the young’uns] in our church—it is a positive sea of Gleaming Caucasianness and whoever wrote this knows that right well. And then—there are practically no Hispanics either, to speak of, despite TEC’s best efforts [not very adequate] to appeal. Asians? I mean . . . seriously? Folks, we’re talking here about
And then, of course, the thought that “some are old” and “some are young” has got to make you smile.
No, Writer Of Smog and Whopperdom. There are practically no “young”—the church is almost entirely “old.”
And I do mean Almost Entirely Old.
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What strikes me is the sense of pride here - it’s “cool” to be an Episcopalian - with the inference that other Christian denominations are not.
[1] Posted by Branford on 12-9-2010 at 09:07 AM · [top]
Reading the website of this campus ministry takes me back to my college years when I was involved in a Presbyterian (USA) college campus ministry. It was so dysfunctional it was sad. Their website and their brochure said that we were a “diverse body of people”, which could not have been further from the truth. To make themselves sound cool and fashionable, they put posters around campus that said “we recycle”, “some of us are vegetarians”, and “we don’t serve horse meat”. Needless to say, it didn’t work. At best we had a group of 20 for worship on Sunday night, and being on a campus with 30,000 students, of which at least 2,000 were Presbyterian. I was involved there two full years. It was a mess.
[2] Posted by jrwarden on 12-9-2010 at 09:32 AM · [top]
Pretty much sums up every single statement from the leftist elite in TEC.
Awfully hard to build anything long-lasting on such a crock of stuff.
[3] Posted by Athanasius Returns on 12-9-2010 at 09:52 AM · [top]
So this is what Episcopal campus ministries teach. Is suspect this might be more the rule than the exception.
Oops, I think you might come close if you also do morning and evening prayer daily, but it should be noted that the lectionary readings often leave out a lot of important verses.
We sure as #@%! don’t at our church.
Heresy alert.
Perhaps we should rename the campus ministry to read “Campus Capitulation.”
[4] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 12-9-2010 at 10:16 AM · [top]
An executive summary of Matt 22:37-40: “Love God. Love others. The rest are details.”
A bit of Internet searching reveals that the priest who apparently wrote this page is a graduate of VTS. You know - the place that had the chapel with “Go ye into all the world and preach the Gospel” written above a window. One wonders who taught him New Testament.
[5] Posted by Ralph on 12-9-2010 at 10:35 AM · [top]
Well, I don’t know how well their “message” is reaching all of the young’uns. Take a look at their calendar:
http://ecmgsu.org/calendar.htm
(...not even too sure about worship services after the 5th….)
[6] Posted by heart on 12-9-2010 at 10:55 AM · [top]
The mission of the Diocese of Georgia is really to provide and oasis from fundamentalism as defined by liberals. It is based on a negitive confession of beliefs - what we do not teach. It has proven to be unsuccessful.
[7] Posted by Pb on 12-9-2010 at 11:47 AM · [top]
Some corrections:
Q. Do Episcopalians believe in the Bible?
A. We sure do, but we’re not overly concerned about how it is interpreted. We read the Bible aloud in church every Sunday, and if you come for three years straight, you will have heard the parts of the Bible we agree with. Some Episcopalians read the Bible literally while others see it as something that requires new interpretation with the passage of time. The literal reading isn’t taken very seriously anymore by Episcopal theologians. We believe that God can’t be placed in such a small box and a more allegorical approach has so much to tell us about who we think God is and who we are. If we just listen, we’ll understand how we should live in love for each other!
Maybe someone can send the update to the webmaster.
[8] Posted by iamaworm on 12-9-2010 at 12:15 PM · [top]
Oh, and another correction:
Q. Do Episcopalians believe in Jesus?
A. Absolutely we believe he was a real person. We believe, like other Christians, that Jesus is our picture of God. God loves us so much in Jesus he shows us how to love others. But we also believe that God can be seen in other religions like Buddhism, Islam, Wicca, and Islam and our clergy freely move between beliefs to see God in a more complete way.
[9] Posted by iamaworm on 12-9-2010 at 12:23 PM · [top]
Well, looks like the whole web page hasn’t been updated in a while. I mean, they don’t even mention the Abortion Eucharist, Prayers to Sophia or raisin cakes!
[10] Posted by iamaworm on 12-9-2010 at 12:26 PM · [top]
They probably lost most students at
[11] Posted by Jason Miller on 12-9-2010 at 12:51 PM · [top]
FAQ’s:
Q: When was the Episcopalian invented?
A: Heh. That’s cute.
Q: Who is the preeminent Episcopalian virtuoso today?
A: I guess the word does sound like it is a musical instrument somewhat lost to history. That’s funny when I think about it. But no, Episcopalian refers to the mainline Anglican church in the United States and also could refer to someone who is a member of said denomination..
Q: If I’ve heard of Zamfir the Pan Flute player. Why haven’t I heard of a famous Episcopalian player?
A: Okay, the first couple of times was cute, but this is getting ridiculous. To reiterate, Episcopalian refers to the mainline Anglican church in the United States and also could refer to someone who is a member of said denomination.
Q: Where do I go for Episcopalian lessons? It would really be cool if my kid knew a different musical instrument than piano, violin or guitar.
A: LISTEN YOU MORON. DONT MAKE ME COME OVER THERE OR SO HELP ME I’LL )(()^*^*^^* SUE YOUR &(*^*(%%&(&* !$@@. NOW STOP ASKING VAPID QUESTIONS SO THE OTHER SHEEP CAN ASK THEIR QUESTIONS.
Q: Are there Episcopalian teachers who use the Suzuki Method?
A: Dear Sir and or Madam,
Please desist from writing into the GSU FAQ page for Episcopalian recruitment, lest there be severe legal consequences on you, your children, and your grandchildren.
Cordially,
Leslie Cheetum, Attorney at Law
Law Offices, Dewey, Cheetum, and Howe Associates.
[12] Posted by J Eppinga on 12-9-2010 at 05:17 PM · [top]
I was serious about my post. This is what passes for the gospel of Jesus Christ in the Diocese of Georgia. I suspect is does in other places as well.
[13] Posted by Pb on 12-9-2010 at 05:45 PM · [top]
Pb, I believe that you are correct. I knew a bishop who had grown up as a Southern Baptist. He was busy NOT being a Southern Baptist - and he was not alone in NOT being a conservative Protestant or a conservative Roman. I have met quite a few folks who fled conservative, orthodox groups so that they did not have to be part of them, not because they were drawn to anything positive in ECUSA.
[14] Posted by AnglicanXn on 12-9-2010 at 07:18 PM · [top]
What is this “And I do mean Almost Entirely Old.” business?
I don’t know if I, at 80, meet your criterion for old. I left ECUSA for the third time several years ago, having left for the first time in the 1970’s, so I am not part of the problem you cite.
There is a certain stasis among us old. We don’t abandon the faith once delivered for all to the saints as easily as some younger folks do. We are, you see, burdened by the often involuntarily accumulated wisdom of the aged. We know more because we have seen more, heard more, felt more and experienced more.
Some of us just stick around, writing checks, and getting counted in ASA. That’s one of us who can’t reach quite far enough to take the collection plate and the younger person with it has to make the extra effort, but don’t leave us out, you might not be able to pay the rector or the diocesan assessment this month.
The future of the Church is not in youth. It is in the message. It is in the faith once delivered for all to the saints. The future of the real Church is not in any one generation or age group. It is in the message. If the message is there, age will be no criterion for response.
God bless.
[15] Posted by Ol' Bob on 12-9-2010 at 08:41 PM · [top]
Brilliant, Ol’ Bob!
[16] Posted by AnglicanXn on 12-9-2010 at 09:39 PM · [top]
To Ol’Bob and Anglican XN
True, the future is the message. Marketing aimed at the young is not what will draw anyone to the alter. It is the message, particularly when offered to young through parents faithfully witnessed, which is what God gave me and my sibling. What a gift. Trying to do the same for my kids. Hard to do when my church since the cradle went off the cliff.
But, we must pick ourselves up off the ground, dust off, and move on to a new faithful community. I may just have found one. That will also be a message to my kids; things go bad, and then we have to move on. There are good churches filled with the love of the Lord, it is just my bad luck that it is no longer found in TEC. But it is out there.
[17] Posted by episcopal100 on 12-10-2010 at 07:28 AM · [top]
RE: “I don’t know if I, at 80, meet your criterion for old.”
Not only do you meet my criterion—but *I* meet my criterion. ; > )
It’s not my criterion, though, that matters. It’s the statisticians that point out to TEC leaders that literally our population is dying off before—long long long long before—it can be replaced by the crumbcrunchers.
And you *know* it’s bad when an aging gen-xer is still the youngest face in the room.
[18] Posted by Sarah on 12-10-2010 at 08:02 AM · [top]
Sarah (#18),
The statistics are correct. The statistics, however, focus on the effect, not the cause.
The cause is lack of message, absence of teaching and preaching the faith once for all delivered to the saints. The effect is declining membership.
We need a Christ centered Church, not member-centered or self-centered or hierarchy-centered churches.
Preach the Gospel. Preach Christ’s saving Grace. Save the un-saved. Nurture the confessing, repentant saved. The numbers will take care of themselves.
God bless.
[19] Posted by Ol' Bob on 12-10-2010 at 09:36 AM · [top]
Right Ol’ Bob. However, those who should be listening and trying to understand the numbers ignore them. The usual message is that is “the price you pay for being prophetic”. Prophetic ? Here is a prophecy for ya TECUSA. IF TECUSA continues to ignore the numbers and ignores what really matters for the church (which you, Ol’ Bob, so correctly and succinctly wrote above), TEC will be gone within a generation if not before.
[20] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 12-10-2010 at 10:28 AM · [top]
The link above goes to 404 land. I clicked on it and then wiped out everything after the word org (everything including the backslash) and eventually got to this page:
http://www.episcopalcampusministry.org/?page_id=47.
Well, anyway, am I the only one that found the whole tone of this very condescending? Also, no truly young person was involved in this. It’s just totally lame. And the people at the Campus Center will never get it.
[21] Posted by The Little Myrmidon on 12-11-2010 at 08:01 PM · [top]
Hi Little Myrmidon,
It looks like the link has been replaced with the cached page. Funny how google never forgets, huh?
[22] Posted by Jackie on 12-11-2010 at 09:56 PM · [top]
Perhaps the StandFirm post prompted the launch of a site makeover (“We are currently in the process of redoing our site, so please excuse our mess!”).
However, the page at:
http://www.episcopalcampusministry.org/?page_id=51
still says, “All are allowed to come and worship, and all are allowed to take Communion with us.”
Yikes on part 2 of that sentence.
[23] Posted by Ralph on 12-12-2010 at 08:16 AM · [top]
I like “We believe that God does not restrict anyone from coming to God’s table”
There’s a lot of literary gymnastics going on on that page to ensure they don’t have to actually refer to God as “Him”.
[24] Posted by Paul B on 12-12-2010 at 01:46 PM · [top]
We can only hope it is an ineffective and poorly attended as some of the other Episcopal campus ministries, thus minimizing the number of students led astray.
[25] Posted by Going Home on 12-12-2010 at 04:24 PM · [top]
so many true comments…so much unhappiness that the church of our youth no longer exists..so you pretend that it will be revived or that “they don’t really mean what they say..or you don’t listen to what the national church says..or you don’t really care for you are still an Episcopalian..or that the “church” must be right…and yet many of us know within our soul that TEC is no longer the church of Christ..and so we are left to understand the scriptures and act on those instructions as our spirit leads us… maybe forming new alliances, maybe staying to fight the fight.
[26] Posted by ewart-touzot on 12-13-2010 at 12:14 PM · [top]
I think that most college students see too much to fall for this attempt to refute the doctrine of original sin. Unfortunately, those who do accept this pretense that we are all good may have difficulty recognizing it when sinful people try to take advantage of them.
[27] Posted by Betty See on 12-13-2010 at 11:47 PM · [top]
And off to heaven we’ll go, kicking and screaming every step of the way. Therein lies the cruelty of Universalism.
We need to be saved from what we deserve, not simply kept from receiving it, and God‘s grace will do all of that.
[28] Posted by episcopalienated on 8-1-2012 at 08:54 PM · [top]
The message of the gospel is not: “I can’t go to hell because God won’t let me!”
[29] Posted by episcopalienated on 8-1-2012 at 09:06 PM · [top]
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