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March 21, 2012

Doings with the HOB

You may have missed it but the bishops had a meeting recently

The meeting was billed as a retreat, and members of the public and the news media were not allowed to observe the sessions.

Well, a retreat really.  It was all rather invite only kind of thing.  Members of the proletariat Non bishop types were persona non grata.

Very few, if any, bishops blogged and tweeted during the sessions. In past meetings, some bishops have raised issues of confidentiality in response to their colleagues tweeting and blogging about their conversations.

As if the unwashed masses should be allowed to know what their betters think! 

In a March 20 media briefing, bishops participating in the briefing said the meeting was more relaxed and the atmosphere more gracious than it has been in years.

  Yes, without most of those pesky Orthodox, it is much easier to pretend All is Well. ™

“Bishops lead such busy lives, we need to come away on a retreat,” said Bishop of Pittsburgh Kenneth Price, secretary of the House of Bishops, during the briefing, adding that the absence of outsiders made for a better atmosphere. He said that he would leave the meeting “blessed and energized.”

  Busy lives.  Not something the sheeple know about.  After all, what could be more important to do with our tithes than make sure our bishops are relaxed. 

According to a Pravda public affairs office daily account, the bishops continued discussion about the committee’s work and same-gender blessings “in small groups, as a body, and then in indaba settings, an opportunity for each member of the house to speak his or her mind in a smaller, open setting.” Indaba, which means “meaningful conversation,” is a process derived from African traditions that was used by the bishops at the 2008 Lambeth Conference.

  And we all know how productive the 2008 Lambeth Conference was. 

Other sessions included a discussion on spiritual discipline, led by Diocese of Massachusetts Bishop Thomas Shaw, and a conversation on the General Convention 2009 Resolution B014, which called for the study of reconciliation or dissolution of pastoral relations between conflicted dioceses and their bishops.

Like the spiritual discipline you displayed when you performed a marriage ceremony for two lesbians in your diocesan cathedral, Bishop Shaw?

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I didn’t see a thing about Christ, and it came as no surprise.  Surely, as bishops of a so-called Christian Church, they would’ve at least mentioned Him…......wouldn’t they?

[1] Posted by cennydd13 on 3-21-2012 at 10:35 PM · [top]

I wonder whether, as they discuss/strategize about their plans to approve same-sex blessings at this summer’s General Convention, the bishops are joining members of the House of Deputies in exploring whether cohabiting *heterosexual* couples will be allowed to use the new blessings rite?

Anyone who is interested in glimpsing the future can check out the discussion here:

[2] Posted by Pigeon on 3-21-2012 at 10:37 PM · [top]

One can read something about the HOB meeting here.

The Day 5 comments about the worship services surprised me the most. But, then again, the ordination service for the new Bishop of Washington was liturgically horrific.

As for the blessing of cohabiting heterosexual couples, being touted by the usual suspects…well…the horse is out of the barn. The social conscience of TEC wouldn’t want to exclude any other minority groups, now, would they? Marriage is so old-fashioned. And so legally complex.

[3] Posted by Ralph on 3-22-2012 at 06:02 AM · [top]

Yes I was about to comment to recommend Bishop Dan Martins’ blog entries.  They are very interesting reading for lots of little tidbits that give an idea of priorities etc. of the TEC HOB.

It’s the little details that are sometimes most telling…

[4] Posted by Karen B. on 3-22-2012 at 06:11 AM · [top]

Bp Tom Shaw, who led the discussion on spiritual disciplines, also was featured in a video shown at Lambeth Conference.  In that video, he famously identified himself as a conservative, all the while performing blessings on same sex unions and populating his diocese with priests who were abortion rights activists, transgendered, and GLBT activists.

[5] Posted by Jill Woodliff on 3-22-2012 at 06:36 AM · [top]

Bishop Martins clues us in on something from day 2 which would have had me running for the hills if I had been present.

“The agenda for the afternoon was a report from five bishops who have been involved in the development of a rite for the blessing of same-sex relationships, with accompanying supporting materials. There was actually a read-through of the liturgy, with two bishops taking the lines of those committing themselves to one another.” (from his blog)

[6] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 3-22-2012 at 10:04 AM · [top]

#6. So awkward.  I would love to know who the participating bishops were.

[7] Posted by Pigeon on 3-22-2012 at 10:52 AM · [top]

#6, I wouldn’t have made it to the hills before yakking. In fact, I might not have made it to the men’s room.

But, I’m not surprised.

#7, I agree that we should know who they are. So that we can send them wedding presents.

[8] Posted by Ralph on 3-22-2012 at 10:59 AM · [top]

May I politely request once again, that you not capitalize “Orthodox” when you use it as an adjective to modify Anglican or Episcopalian.  “Orthodox"with a capital “O” is a proper name.  There may be “orthodox Anglicans” but there are no “Orthodox Anglicans.”  Thanks.

[9] Posted by Miss Sippi on 3-22-2012 at 11:21 AM · [top]

May I politely request once again, that you not capitalize “Orthodox” when you use it as an adjective to modify Anglican or Episcopalian.

If the comment is directed at me, please note that I did not use it as an adjective, I used it as a noun.  One does not have to be Anglican or Piskie to be in that group.  I actually know a Presbyterian I have decided to annoint as deserving of the capital O.  raspberry

That being said - your pleas will likely fall on deaf ears when directed at me.  I often capital Orthodox in the same manner I often capitalize Revisionist.  They are words that should not slip under the radar in a sentence.

[10] Posted by Jackie on 3-22-2012 at 11:34 AM · [top]

Miss Sippi: I agree with you, but getting one of our bloggin’ queens to change old habits is…challenging. We’ll work on her. LOL

[11] Posted by David Fischler on 3-22-2012 at 11:52 AM · [top]

No tweeting, no blogging, no admittance…and no one cares anymore. If they didn’t trumpet these events afterward, no one would even know they’d been gone. Busy bishops lives? Really? Does anyone in the pews really think their—or any—TEc bishop is busy? Hasn’t V. Gene provided ample evidence that it’s barely a part-time job that requires almost no effort or attention? These clowns reap what they sow. Go on retreat all you want, play pretend marriage all you want—there’s no one who’ll stop you or hold you accountable. But just try keeping your diocese’s cathedral and churches open with all that lack of interest. Heh. I thought so. Better for grown men and women to be playing dress up wedding than to confront the elephant in the room. What a joke.

[12] Posted by polycarp on 3-22-2012 at 11:55 AM · [top]

My apologies, Jackie.  I didn’t mean YOU specifically, I meant “on this board”—my fault for not being clear.  It’s just that “Orthodox” is the name of my church, and when people say “the Orthodox” it’s a tad confusing.  Not a big issue, just mildly annoying.  Sorry to derail the discussion, I won’t say any more about it.

[13] Posted by Miss Sippi on 3-22-2012 at 12:04 PM · [top]

#8 - Ralph, Shame, Shame, Shame!  In order to prove your commitment to inclusiveness and diversity, you _should_ be running to the ladies’ room before yakking!! tongue rolleye

[14] Posted by DeeBee on 3-22-2012 at 09:27 PM · [top]

wow - 134 bishops meeting together in one place for 5 days - they must lead extremely busy lives, since I doubt if any of Nigeria’s 150 or so bishops would be able get the time off work in their dioceses to attend such a meeting. I hope someone did an environmental audit of the greenhouse gas emissions caused by this meeting and that some of the bishops planted enough trees to offset the emissions from the travel and accomodation, food consumption and gassbagging that went on.

It is fascinating to read from ENS that they resolved to send greetings to Rowan Williams, and that this was reported as a matter of first order importance. Could not KJS have done this one her own as the PB without getting 134 bishops together in their extremely busy lives, and then devote some time of that meeting to formulate and debate such a resolution?

I was also excited to read from ENS that the theme of the meeting was the “Gift of Episcope” - wow, really? What a lot of self focused tripe!

And what on earth does Shaw mean by spiritual discipline? Doesn’t he really mean insitutional discipline? Since I think the discipline he has in mind has nothing to do with the personal inner conviction by the Holy Spirit of sin and righteousness and of being instructed by God through his Word to be obedient to the Lord Jesus Christ.

[15] Posted by fyffee on 3-22-2012 at 10:20 PM · [top]

#14 - any port in a storm, I suppose.

[16] Posted by Ralph on 3-23-2012 at 07:06 AM · [top]

I heard VGR demanded that part of the new litergy for SSB is to reveal where the bride and groom (hard to tell which is which if both in tuxes?) bought their shoes.

[17] Posted by B. Hunter on 3-23-2012 at 01:52 PM · [top]

FWIW, I’m with Miss Sippi.  Not that my grammar is perfect, but generic use of “O"rthodox or “C"atholic as nouns mean Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic.  Otherwise it is an adjective: “orthodox Anglicans.”  The exception is when used as a truly proper name like Anglo-Catholic, the Orthodox Presbyterian Church, or the Orthodox Anglican Church.  The latter two being actual denominations.

[18] Posted by Nikolaus on 3-23-2012 at 05:58 PM · [top]

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