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May 5, 2012

Presiding Bishop Thinks the Episcopal Church “Too Slowly Evolves”

The presiding bishop seems to think that Tec is evolving too slowly.  Silly God.

“We need to discover ways to engage in the outside community,” Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori said, in urging the 125 delegates attending the Province II Synod of the Episcopal Church to recognize that while many believe the church is an unchanging rock, it too slowly evolves.

I’m sure this group is only dying because it is “too slowly evolving.”  Yes, I am sure that is it.  It can’t possibly be because in their headlong race to be the first to win the diversity game, they have stepped on, walked over and disposed of sound teaching based on Scripture.  Nah, that can’t be it.

“‘We are beginning to discover a way forward into a new chapter in the church’s history,” Jefferts Schori said. “If we are going to save the life of the church, we are going to have to lose it.”

Well, there may be some good news for Katharine after all.  Someone call her and let her know that Tec has lost all life - at least the kind with any meaning whatsoever.

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Double-down baby!  GC12 is gonna be a whopper!  90% of the “conservatives” are the “moderates” who were there when she took office.  There’s nothing to stop the downhill momentum ‘cause they’re way beyond anything that common sense would caution them on

[1] Posted by Bill2 on 5-5-2012 at 06:11 PM · [top]

KJS, the Pol Pot of Anglicanism.

[2] Posted by Jeffersonian on 5-5-2012 at 06:36 PM · [top]

“We value the voices of all in decision making,” Jefferts Schori said.

That all depends on the value she places on your voice.

[3] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 5-5-2012 at 07:40 PM · [top]

Much as I detest her, I think her statement is being misinterpreted here.  She is not saying that the church evolves too slowly.  She is saying that it evolves also.  She says too many other stupid things to get worked up over this.  But then, that’s no fun is it?

[4] Posted by Nikolaus on 5-5-2012 at 08:07 PM · [top]

This is preparatory bombardment for the upcoming fight at GenCon.  KJS is looking for ways to free up money in the dioceses for the support of 815.  She needs the dioceses to surrender their individual parochial interests in order to support the Imperial Center.  The desire to defend those parochial interests is what she is referring to when she says TEC is “evolving too slowly.” 

The key concept is “restructuring.”  What that means in practice is that KJS wants to dis-employ more people at the diocesan level in order to employ more people at the national level.  So she will talk about ‘leveling’ and ‘sharing responsibilities’ and ‘new ways to do church’ and ‘evolving more rapidly.’  In the end, it’s all about revenue allocation in the face of a declining market. 

It’s one thing to chase off the reactionaries with torches and pitchforks.  Now KJS is coming after the comfortable sinecures that so many liberal religionists have found within TEC.  This will be a bloody fight. 


[5] Posted by carl on 5-5-2012 at 08:14 PM · [top]

A colonel in Vietnam famously said, “The only way to save this village was to destroy it.”

[6] Posted by Don+ on 5-5-2012 at 08:24 PM · [top]

what is this evolution she is referring to involves dismantling 815? Would she be so willing to embrace that kind of diversity?

[7] Posted by fyffee on 5-6-2012 at 04:18 AM · [top]

Don, I believe the quote was attributed to an Army Major and reporter Peter Arnett was exposed for having made it up.

Ladson Mills

[8] Posted by Ladson Mills on 5-6-2012 at 07:12 AM · [top]

I believe that there is a problem with the punctuation.  Try this:
...while many believe the church is an unchanging rock, it, too, slowly evolves.
She is not saying that the church is evolving too slowly, just that it does evolve.

[9] Posted by old lady on 5-6-2012 at 08:26 AM · [top]

Evolution, eh?

Certainly not intelligent design.

[10] Posted by Ralph on 5-6-2012 at 09:33 AM · [top]

No matter the grammatical intention, the idea that the church evolves relates to the idea of adaptation to the environment. In the case of a chameleon this simply means being able to take on the background color. It will only serve to make TEC more invisible.

[11] Posted by Fr. Dale on 5-6-2012 at 11:40 AM · [top]

Well, yes, she wants the church to evolve, but we already knew that.

[12] Posted by old lady on 5-6-2012 at 12:12 PM · [top]

[8]  Thanks for the clarification. From my experience and personal knowledge of some colonels (and I was one), I could have believed it.

[13] Posted by Don+ on 5-6-2012 at 01:26 PM · [top]

Don, understood, retired Nav (06) here as well!!

Ladson Mills

[14] Posted by Ladson Mills on 5-6-2012 at 02:34 PM · [top]

This is simply delusional: “The Episcopal Church draws strength from its growing immigrant population who know the value of community…”

New immigrant populations have zero interest in a dying white, liberal denomination.

And this from Matt+‘s old boss:

Bishop Skip Adams of the Episcopal Diocese of Central New York said Jefferts Schori’s remarks would be very similar to ones that he would deliver.

A large, diverse church is a healthier body, said Adams of Syracuse.

How can anyone be so clueless? Surely, he understands the contradiction. The TEc “evolves” by kicking out traditionalists making it a smaller, less diverse, unhealthier body. What an idiot.

[15] Posted by robroy on 5-6-2012 at 03:53 PM · [top]

Looking at how long it has taken “We the People…” to live up to our National Constitution, it is no wonder why our Presiding Bishop’s assesment is as such. She’s right the body of Christ needs an enema so it can walk faster and keep pace with what God is doing. Notice, it says what He is doing not trying to do. I could join the other mud slingers but all thats going to do is get us all more filthy than we already are. Rather than the gainsaying, we ought to take what Prsiding Bishop Jefferts-Schori has to say and really seriously examine ourselves. Don’t hate. Participate.And let Love lead the way. Cause ain nobody else gonna be able to do it but Love.

[16] Posted by Calhoun on 5-6-2012 at 04:24 PM · [top]

16. Calhoun,
“She’s right the body of Christ needs an enema so it can walk faster and keep pace with what God is doing. Notice, it says what He is doing not trying to do. I could join the other mud slingers but all thats going to do is get us all more filthy than we already are.” I think you are beyond mud slinging with that comment.

[17] Posted by Fr. Dale on 5-6-2012 at 07:07 PM · [top]

The three extremes: maxima, minima, and enema. The diversity goal has more to do with categories of political correctness(race, gender, sexual orientation) than with intelectual and theological inclusiveness that might prove for some to be disturbingly challenging. As for KJS, attacks on policy and the results therefrom and challenges to theology would seem appropriate, but not personal attacks.

[18] Posted by Don+ on 5-6-2012 at 09:34 PM · [top]

We are commanded to love people and not groups. This has always been the problem of liberals in that they praise the group and have little use for the individual.  And then the group has to be one that they admire. There is no love for fundamentalists, The Tea Party or departing Anglicans.

[19] Posted by Pb on 5-7-2012 at 08:46 AM · [top]

If she is going to bring evolution into her assertions, then she ought to remember that the bottom line of the evolution argument is the idea of the survival of the fittest.

Given that Christianity begins (and ends) its teachings with the death and resurrection of Christ, is survival of the fittest a fit lens through which to view the church?

As I have thought for a very long time, I think she must of woken up one day and found herself lost and has had no ability to find herself where she should be.

Her frame of reference is more Alice in Wonderland than Origin of Species.

[20] Posted by JuliaMarks on 5-7-2012 at 10:22 AM · [top]

Mrs Schori proclaims her faith in the principle of perpetual revolution promulged by Mao.

[21] Posted by A Senior Priest on 5-7-2012 at 11:00 AM · [top]

Perhaps she should note that natural selection is working. This mutation does not contribute to the survival of the church.

[22] Posted by Pb on 5-7-2012 at 12:11 PM · [top]

Every living thing that evolves requires certain things that do not change.  In animal life, the ability to absorb oxygen is absolutely essential.  In plant life, the ability to photo-synthesize is essential.  One would not advocate for evolutionary changes [if one could advocate for evolutionary changes] that would make it impossible for an animal to absorb oxygen.  It could not live. 

On the other hand, it is very valuable for an animal whose environment is getting colder to evolve to have more fur. 

The problem is not that the church is evolving to slowly, or too rapidly.  The problem is that the Episcopal Church, and many others, are evolving into something that cannot live.  It is a church that is fundamentalist about the wrong things.

[23] Posted by observer145 on 5-7-2012 at 02:01 PM · [top]

Very astute, observer145!

[24] Posted by old lady on 5-7-2012 at 03:08 PM · [top]

The only thing that’s happening to slowly for the new improved TEC is its irreversible death-spiral.

[25] Posted by A Senior Priest on 5-8-2012 at 02:58 PM · [top]

Evolution indeed!  TEC = Cro-Magnon Man.


[26] Posted by Mike Bertaut on 5-8-2012 at 03:18 PM · [top]

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