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May 10, 2012

PCUSA Leaking From Other End

Well, “leaking” may be too strong a word–one church is really no more than a very small dribble. Nevertheless, it is interesting to see that there are those for whom the Presbyterian Church (USA) is not moving fast enough. From Reuters:

As throngs of religious conservatives break from the U.S. Presbyterian Church over the ordination of gay ministers, a small gay-led California parish is staging a schism of its own, saying the church has done too little to accept homosexuality.

The West Hollywood Presbyterian Church in Los Angeles plans to formally join the ranks of the more liberal United Church of Christ on Saturday.

“I can’t wait” said the Rev. Dan Smith, a gay pastor who has led the progressive congregation with about 57 members since the 1980s. “It’s like being released from an abusive relationship,” he told Reuters. “We’re ready to be set free.”

Apparently the mere presence of people in a denomination who don’t approve of his sexual practices is too much for Rev. Smith. Gotta wonder, though: given that the rules were just changed last year to allow sexually active gay pastors in the PCUSA, how exactly has he been pastoring at West Hollywood since the 1980s? Why didn’t he and his little band decamp to the UCC long ago, rather than waiting until victory had been achieved?

The church allows its ministers to bless gay unions but prohibits them from performing same-sex marriages.

By contrast, the United Church of Christ allows gay and lesbian weddings and has long welcomed gay clergy.

The Presbyterian Church’s highest court recently ordered the Rev. Jane Spahr rebuked for performing state-sanctioned gay and lesbian marriages in California, including the marriage of the Rev. Lisa Bove and Renna Killen.

Ah, that must be it. Of course, “rebuked” essentially means they wagged their finger in her general direction and said, “you’re not allowed to do this, at least until the next time you do it.” But still, who likes getting fingers wagged in their vicinity and harshed with tepid language?

Bove, Killen and their 10- and 13-year-old daughters belong to the West Hollywood church, and the Rev. Smith officiated at their wedding alongside Spahr. As a lifelong Presbyterian, Bove, 51, said she felt sad about her church’s move.

“But I’m not sad for the congregation,” she said. “All people deserve the chance to be loved, to know that their parent church body is proud of them and celebrates their gifts.

“The United Church of Christ is proud to have us. Presbyterians are just waking up to tolerate us. We want our gifts celebrated, not just simply tolerated.”

This, of course, is where the real answer lies. For the folks at WHPC, all must bow to the god of gay. Homosexual behavior must be proclaimed as the most fantabulous thing evah, or else they will feel all rejected and stuff. And we can’t have that, now can we?

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These guys are all “one-trick ponies”.  Wondering when they will get bored and find some other “cause” to be all wierd about??

[1] Posted by B. Hunter on 5-10-2012 at 01:38 PM · [top]

That is the most grotesque part of the “gay Christian” movement. It’s apparent that the most important principle to them, the thing to which they have the highest loyalty, is their sexual urges. So then why call yourself Christian? A Christian should want to be *free* from slavery to sin (Rom 6), not embrace it as their highest principle. It seems incongruous, delusional and hypocritical. It’s amazing they cannot see how grotesquely misplaced their loyalty is. “Where your treasure is, there your heart is also”.

[2] Posted by SpongJohn SquarePantheist on 5-10-2012 at 03:25 PM · [top]

I realize now that Moses was so very wrong-headed.  When he said, “Let my people go,” he really should have meant it in the sense that Pharaoh was to be compelled to observe Shabbat, take Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah off, keep Egypt kosher and never pay retail for anything.

[3] Posted by Jeffersonian on 5-10-2012 at 03:59 PM · [top]

Only 57 members in WEST HOLLYWOOD???  Mirroring the culture IS NOT working for him.

[4] Posted by midwestnorwegian on 5-10-2012 at 06:24 PM · [top]

Good catch, midwestnorwegian.  The secular & other non-Christians don’t need churches to tell them to be secular or non-Christian.

[5] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 5-10-2012 at 06:25 PM · [top]

“Rev. Dan Smith, a gay pastor who has led the progressive congregation with about 57 members since the 1980s.”

And they are ‘progressing’ to ... what?

[6] Posted by GrandpaDino on 5-10-2012 at 06:57 PM · [top]

Don’t make fun of them, guys, or dismiss them too quickly. Mr Obama craves re-election REALLY badly, and he has felt able to do several horribly anti-Christian things just recently—he must think he can get away with it without hurting his chances.

And if Obama wins in November, the homosexuals win.

[7] Posted by dpeirce on 5-10-2012 at 07:51 PM · [top]

“We want our gifts celebrated, not just simply tolerated.”

What special gifts might that be, one wonders?  Because you sleep with someone of the same sex, you’re more special than us knuckle-dragging breeders?  What is it that we should celebrate?  I’m confused…

[8] Posted by GillianC on 5-10-2012 at 09:47 PM · [top]

A brief look at their website shows that the church seems really top-heavy - all chiefs and no indians.

[9] Posted by The Little Myrmidon on 5-10-2012 at 10:37 PM · [top]

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