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May 29, 2012


Traditional Marriage: Divisive and Inflammatory

Liberals pushing the envelope ever further in the Presbyterian Church (USA) have appealed a judicial decision that gave a presbytery the right to set ordination standards that include reference to traditional marriage. According to the Layman Online:

A group of 21 Presbyterians in Southern California filed an appeal to the PCUSA’s General Assembly Permanent Judicial Commission (GAPJC) on Wednesday, three weeks after the Synod of Southern California and Hawaii Permanent Judicial Commission (SPJC) ruled that a resolution approved by the Presbytery of Los Ranchos in 2011 was constitutional.

At issue is a resolution passed in September by a 125-51 vote, which states that “the Bible, the Book of Confessions and the Book of Order set forth the Scriptural and constitutional standards for ordination and installation.”

The measure also states that ordained ministers should live in “fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman or chastity in singleness and will so notify candidates for ordination/installation and/or membership in the presbytery.”

In a denomination that still held to the biblical and confessional standards it has on the books, that resolution by the Los Ranchos Presbytery would not be controversial. This, however, is the new PCUSA, one in which the setting of standards of sexual conduct for ordination is akin to lighting the “Mona Lisa” on fire. The SJPC did, incredibly, uphold the presbytery’s right to set such standards, but also made clear that it was not amused:

In its May 4 decision, the SPJC rejected the complaints of error by a 6-2 vote but also admonished Los Ranchos, claiming that the resolution caused potential harm to the peace and unity of the denomination.

The synod decision stated that the complaint rested on the question of “whether a presbytery has the right to pass a resolution concerning the manner of life for its teaching elders as part of the proper exercise of the presbytery’s authority within the powers reserved to presbyteries.”

The SPJC said the presbytery did have that right but that “while this PJC considers the resolution constitutional, the use of specific language known to be divisive and inflammatory flies in the face of the responsibility to seek the peace, unity and purity of the church.”

The language that the SJPC labels “divisive and inflammatory” was in the PCUSA Book of Order until last June.


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The measure also states that ordained ministers should live in “fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman or chastity in singleness and will so notify candidates for ordination/installation and/or membership in the presbytery.”


“Divisive and inflammatory language” eh? Oh, yes, it’s practically Westboro Baptist type rhetoric. It’s like that divisive, inflammatory high school mural showing a boy growing up, marrying a woman and having a family. Sick, twisted stuff. You should have posted a homeschooler alert in the title of the post.

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[1] Posted by SpongJohn SquarePantheist on 5-29-2012 at 06:37 PM · [top]

Yes, so many of today’s secular young people have a better grasp on fundamentals of right and wrong than so many modern progressive clergypersuns?!

A baptist lay preacher Vincent Damon Furnier (aka Alice Cooper) captures the essence of the modern young person who instinctively knows that the modern way of life is twisted, but can’t break out of it:

“I got a mom but I ain’t got a dad
My dad’s got a wife but she ain’t my mom
Mom’s looking for a man to be my dad
But I want my mom and dad to be my real mom and dad
Is that so bad?
Oh, I think I’ve been had

(You’re) lost in America, lost in America, lost in America, lost…”

[2] Posted by MichaelA on 5-29-2012 at 11:32 PM · [top]

In an interesting take on how Catholics are reacting to the Obama administration, here is an account of a lifelong Pennsylvania woman Democrat who has left the party. 

For her, this was precipitated by the announcements of Biden and then Obama of their support for gay marriage.  Good to see her clarity at the end of the article about why she left.

[3] Posted by hanks on 5-30-2012 at 04:01 PM · [top]

hanks, thanks for posting that. It’s hard to believe she didn’t see where all this was headed earlier, but better late than never. She is to be applauded for her integrity, and willingness to stand up for her convictions in the face of harassment.

The bigger problem is, have the Dems miscalculated in their radicalism of the past 4 years, or have they taken people like this woman into account and determined they would not be statistically significant?

[4] Posted by SpongJohn SquarePantheist on 5-30-2012 at 05:26 PM · [top]

SS Panthiest—my guess is that there’s a very large number of Catholic pew sitters who are just as bothered but will quietly go about voting their conscience when they get into the voting booth. 

What impressed me about this woman was the public position she held and therefore the courage it took to let the world know of her decision.  I think the Obama team have badly miscalculated.

[5] Posted by hanks on 5-30-2012 at 05:53 PM · [top]

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