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July 8, 2012

A Stirring Defense of Orthodoxy & the Gospel from the Bishop of Upper South Carolina

From here:

Bishop Andrew Waldo of the Diocese of Upper South Carolina opposed D019, seeking clarification of “gender expression … to get a sense of how the people in my diocese who have a poor understanding of what transgender means.

“I believe we need to have more discussion in the church, in our congregations, in order to be able to speak in a way that is theologically sound, that gives a deeper understanding of what it means to be a transgender person,” he said.

If there’s one thing we all need over here in Upper South Carolina, it’s more “theological forums” and “dialogue sessions” and “listening sessions” so that we all may “understand” those who cross-dress, surgically modify themselves, and otherwise pretend to be something they’re not, and how great that will be to have delusory persons like that serving on vestries and in pulpits.

Yes, if only we troglydites in Upper South Carolinians could just “understand” cross-dressing and pretense and delusion more deeply we too could see how healthy, functional, and good it will be to have them as our leaders.

Just lovely.

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You’ve got a real jewel for a bishop, Sarah!  cool smile

[1] Posted by Allen Lewis on 7-8-2012 at 01:24 PM · [top]

You may find the following a bit amusing.  I happened to be following the #gc77 twitter feed the other day while this debate was going on.  The posters were making fun of “some bishop” for his inability to understand “gender expression” (which apparently to that tweeter was self-expanatory) and how he needed clarification.
Apparently, in the new TEC, Waldo is considered an ignorant conservative of the same ilk as Lawrence and the 9.  I suppose before long, Breidenthal and Rickel will be up on charges for opposing consents to KGTF a couple years ago.
I notice that almost everything in the HoB is voice vote.  You see lots of bishops speak in opposition to this and that, but in several cases, while I noted plenty of opposition speakers, there was not a nay to be heard when the vote was called.  I wonder how many of these bishops are making their little speech for the folks back home, and then voting like the PB tells them.

[2] Posted by tjmcmahon on 7-8-2012 at 01:24 PM · [top]

The term “Gender expression” can mean just about anything. Maybe +VGR knows what it means, but I don’t think any more dialog will help this term to be more specific.

[3] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 7-8-2012 at 03:43 PM · [top]

Bishop Waldo is clearly falling down in his duty to instruct his flock in matters religious, which, for TEo, obviously includes the specifics of what the sexually confused do with their gonads.

Why not run some uncensored footage from the San Francisco Pride parade at his parish visits, preferably during the Eucharist, in lieu of a sermon?  The good Bishop would certainly remove all doubt on the subject and parishoners would get an eyeful of what that New Thang entails in all its glory.

[4] Posted by Jeffersonian on 7-8-2012 at 04:54 PM · [top]

I warned you about Waldo, but did USC listen?

He’d happily jump on any sexual liberation bandwagon, but he’ll do so with a southern genteel style, you’ll hardly know when he knifes you in the back and you may even thank him for it.

[5] Posted by Bill2 on 7-8-2012 at 05:41 PM · [top]

Allen, he is a jewel but no Jewel :o(

[6] Posted by MichaelA on 7-8-2012 at 06:00 PM · [top]

tj,  every major vote in the Biennial General Assembly of the Church of God, Cleveland TN, where I pastored for over 25 years, was taken by hard ballot.  A bi-cameral assembly with 2_3 thousand lay and a like number of ordained clergy voting on all issues over a four day meeting.  A madhouse, sometimes, but always clearly expressed.?
And my former teo bishop said that all of that was my imagination.  A thoroughly hierarchical organization, with very little wiggle room, NOT like to, at all.

[7] Posted by Fr. Chip, SF on 7-8-2012 at 06:49 PM · [top]

“Gender expression” can be filed with “generous pastoral response” and “covenanted relationship”. The imprecision is intentional and allows individuals to explore the possibilities. Kind of like a new university campus that allows students to determine the route to the various buildings and then lay down the sidewalks.

[8] Posted by Fr. Dale on 7-8-2012 at 07:37 PM · [top]

Is this the same Waldo featured in the “Where’s Waldo” pictures? And, if not, why not?

Pax et bonum,
Keith Töpfer

[9] Posted by Militaris Artifex on 7-9-2012 at 07:24 PM · [top]

Dear Miss Hey,

I realize that it is only a typographic error, but the accepted spelling for the name of the peoples in question (cave dwellers, or an ancient group of people from the African Red Sea coast, or a fictional tribe described in Montesquieu’s Persian Letters, etc., is troglodyte.

Pax et bonum,
Keith Töpfer

[10] Posted by Militaris Artifex on 7-9-2012 at 07:28 PM · [top]

[8] Fr. Dale,

That amounts to several shots in the X ring.

Pax et bonum,
Keith Töpfer

[11] Posted by Militaris Artifex on 7-9-2012 at 07:30 PM · [top]

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