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July 9, 2012

The awesome propaganda that is “gay marriage”

The quality of today’s pro basketball makes it unlikely that anybody will ever top Wilt Chamberlain’s 100 point game.  In his autobiography, Wilt said,

As I’ve traveled the world, I’ve probably had 10,000 people tell me that they saw my 100 point game at Madison Square Garden.  Well, the game was in Hershey and there were about 4,000 [actually 4,124] there.

That quote strikes me as the best possible metaphor for what we are dealing with when it comes to gay marriage.

Just EVERYBODY knows “life long monogamous lesbi/gay couples.”

EVERY community in EVERY nation has HORDES of said couples just agonizing because they can’t find an Episcopalian ceremony to bless their life long monogamous relationship.

The fact is, decent research from places like the University of Chicago (is that a right wing place now?) puts the homosexual population at around 2%.  Of this, some %, and probably a pretty small one, wants a marriage.  Shrink that down even more for those who want a religious ceremony.  Somewhere near the vanishing point, you’ll find a little cluster who want an EPISCOPALIAN ritual of some sort.  Actually, they’re pretty much all at a hotel in Indianapolis tonight.

Yet, studies show that many Americans think that somewhere around 30% - THIRTY PER CENT - of the U.S. population is homosexual.

With every TV series, movie or whatever required to feature one or more homosexual characters (always positive characters, by the way), it shouldn’t come as a surprise.  After all, every news panel or talk show bunch I hear lets it drop that they all know wonderful life long monogamous lesbi/gay couples suffering without marriage.

It is an epic piece of propaganda.  Sadly, like the 10,000 folks who told Wilt they were at his 100 point game, it’s pretty much a bunch of lies.

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I think they want us to believe that inside everyone is a gay person dying to come out.

[1] Posted by Undergroundpewster on 7-9-2012 at 08:07 PM · [top]

Timothy+,  remember that the entire claimed membership of TEC is only 2/3 of 1% of the population, meaning there are 3 times as many gay people in the US as there are Episcopalians.  Therefore, for every 1% of the gay population that comes to TEC, TEC membership will rise by 3%. So they are really hoping that at least 1% of the gay population wants a marriage every year, as this would offset the people who are leaving because they want a real marriage.

[2] Posted by tjmcmahon on 7-9-2012 at 08:36 PM · [top]

I’m a visual kinda guy, tj.  So, if all the people we are talking about via that kind of TEC math showed up on the Upper Peninsula, would it break off into the Lakes?

[3] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 7-9-2012 at 08:47 PM · [top]

I think it’s very clear that the Episcopal Church holds gay commitments in every bit as high a regard as heterosexual commitments. That is to say they are to be honoured almost as much as the blessing of the wee beasties.

The real question is whether these ceremonies are supposed to be duties done out love, charity and compassion or are they profit centres?

[4] Posted by Matthew A (formerly mousestalker) on 7-9-2012 at 09:05 PM · [top]

Of course they don’t want marriage (or very few do). They want the world to tell them what they are doing is ok.

First, get the voices of society such as the news and entertainment media (which are the same by and large), the academy, and some high profile social/religious groups on your side. Then get the laws changed. Then sue and silence all the dissenters.

[5] Posted by Words Matter on 7-9-2012 at 09:12 PM · [top]

I am actually one of (i believe) those rare people that have been acquainted with a ‘long term’ gay couple.  While we lived in Germany we were invited to their 15th anniversary, where we were one of the very few hetero couples.  For a ‘couple’ celebrating 15 years together, the event was chock full of rooms that a hetero couple did NOT want to go into, and was NOT a monogamous event.    It was our first exposure to the ‘gay culture’ which is NOT the traditional ‘monogamous’ relationship.  If you are thinking that a gay ‘marriage’ is actually monogamous, you are likely ignorant of the actual gay culture.    Do not be deceived, ‘gay marriage’ is likely NOT what the church teaches as marriage.  While there may be ‘monogamous’ gay couples, it would be the exception to the gay culture, not the rule.

[6] Posted by Tomb01 on 7-9-2012 at 09:35 PM · [top]

I’m a visual kinda guy, tj.  So, if all the people we are talking about via that kind of TEC math showed up on the Upper Peninsula, would it break off into the Lakes?

Well, lets see, 3% of 2,000,000 is 60,000.  SO if they all showed up here, and 1/3 of them went to church (TEC average), then the ASA of the diocese would go up by about 3300%- from 600 to 20,000.  Now, this would not be as much problem as you might think, since a lot of the parishes with ASAs of 30 or 40, were built to hold 400.

Biggest issue would be the problem of ordinations.  Since approximately 20% (7 of 35) of the local ASA was ordained after the home study course, that would mean an additional 4000 ordinations, so I suppose we’d have to add a couple suffragan bishops to handle the workload.  The ordinations will give you enough people to hand out communion, and if people like the bread and wine, the clergy could baptise them at some later date when convenient.  So yeah, I think the local diocese could handle it, provided, of course, that you can round up all the additional snowmobiles necessary to get folks to church between September and May.

[7] Posted by tjmcmahon on 7-9-2012 at 09:55 PM · [top]

Tombo1 what you describe is exactly what it was like with a couple of family members of mine years ago. You witnessed it and described it very well.

[8] Posted by bob+ on 7-9-2012 at 10:18 PM · [top]

#6 Tombo01 thanks for that illustration.  Growing up in L.A., I had gay neighbors for as long as I can remember.  What you describe is pretty much accurate - there are some long term couples out there, but the subcultural norm is not monogamy.

[9] Posted by Timothy Fountain on 7-10-2012 at 06:00 AM · [top]

@Timothy Fountain,

You wrote in the article that [bold emphasis added]

studies show that many Americans think that somewhere around 30% - THIRTY PER CENT - of the U.S. population is homosexual.”

I would beg to differ with your choice of words. I would not disagree that the statistic would be correct if it asserted that many Americans believe that somewhere around 30% of the U.S. population in homosexual. But for any non-homosexual American individual to arrive at that conclusion requires that the individual in question fails to think about their own life experience in any meaningful sense of the word “think.” When I think about the number of homosexual individuals whom I have personally encountered in the adult portion of my near 67 years, and count them on my manual and pedal appendages, I have appendages left unused (N.B., I have the expected norm of twenty such appendages in toto).

Pax et bonum,
Keith Töpfer

[10] Posted by Militaris Artifex on 7-10-2012 at 12:52 PM · [top]

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