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July 14, 2012

Bishops of Oklahoma and NW Texas Voted in Favor of SSB

Bishops Konieczny and Mayer state the vote was difficult for them but somehow they managed to find a way to add their weight to pushing the episcopal church over the cliff. 

The Episcopal Church, which has been a leader in the movement for full inclusion of gays and lesbians, on Tuesday approved an official liturgical rite to bless same-sex unions. The rite includes the exchange of vows and rings but is not being called a marriage ceremony.

“Once I return to Oklahoma, my intention is to gather the diocese, and we will discern together how we will respond to this resolution,” Konieczny said.

In a letter to Oklahoma Episcopalians dated Thursday, he said his vote in favor of the resolution was one of the most difficult decisions he has made in his five years as bishop.

The bishop of the Diocese of Northwest Texas of the Episcopal Church, which covers Episcopal churches in Odessa and Midland, said in a statement he supports the decision of blessing same-sex unions, but has not made it clear whether he will enforce the decision.


Deacon Judy Cobb of St. Barnabas Episcopal Church in Odessa said “as with the ordination of a gay bishop, same-sex unions are a hot button media issue.

“But it is not what is foremost in our faith,” Cobb said. “God sends us out to bring comfort to the needy and the oppressed and to spread the Gospel of Jesus Christ.”

You are correct, Deacon Judy, the problem being exactly what Gospel are you spreading?  As the GLBTQI lobby found out, Tec hasn’t been honest about what Holy Scripture teaches.  Since when is it loving to lie to someone.  But I digress, let us instead concentrate on wondering wondering how many bottles of wine were paid for by the good people of NW Texas and Oklahoma.

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In a letter to Oklahoma Episcopalians dated Thursday, he said his vote in favor of the resolution was one of the most difficult decisions he has made in his five years as bishop.

How to do it without losing money.

[1] Posted by martin5 on 7-14-2012 at 02:20 PM · [top]

Didn’t this bishop ordain a transgendered deacon a while back?

[2] Posted by A Senior Priest on 7-14-2012 at 02:34 PM · [top]

I wonder what were the other difficult decisions he has had to make as a bishop that were even harder than this one to approve a “provisional” rite for same sex blessings.  I think only difficult part of his decision for him is trying to figure out how he is going to explain the decision to the people in his diocese. It is difficult to explain a decision if you think people are not going to be supportive. If you think people are going to be supportive, explaining a decision can be easier.

[3] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 7-14-2012 at 02:39 PM · [top]

Reminds me of Chreighton Robertson coming back from GC2003 and saying: 

“I didn’t think it was my place to stand in the way of who the people of the diocese of New Hampshire chose as their bishop”.

[4] Posted by midwestnorwegian on 7-14-2012 at 03:43 PM · [top]

#4Good point. Anglican fudge at its best! Can be quite delicious but not so nutritious in the long run.

[5] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 7-14-2012 at 03:51 PM · [top]

Isn’t the entire point of the HoB voting to “stand in the way” of unacceptable candidates?  If not, why do they get to vote?

[6] Posted by Jeffersonian on 7-14-2012 at 03:59 PM · [top]

RE: A Senior Priest:  Although unfortunately I am not currently living in OK I still have a lot of friends there.  I think the incident you are thinking about was one of the actions of the perverted Bishop Moody (Bishop 89-07).  That man was so help me worse than Schori. 

Until this incident Bishop Ed has been very well received by the Parish I belonged to that is without a doubt the most Orthodox in the Dio of OK.  He has been from what my friends tell me a real breath of fresh air after the reign of Moody.

I was very disappointed to see his vote.  Regardless of the troubles he had in making the decision the bottom line is the vote.

It is particularity disappointing to me because about the only reason I have remained in TEC was because I do plan to return to OK and at least there are still Episcopal Churches in OK unlike the disgusting and reprehensible Dio of West TN (emphasis on W TN not to be confused in any way with The Dio of TN).  I mistakenly thought I guess reason would at some point take hold.  However, with the continued departure (forced or unforced) of Conservative Parishes, Priest, and even Diocese it is more unlikely every year.  I guess it is what it is.

[7] Posted by tjb381 on 7-14-2012 at 04:20 PM · [top]

I am sorry but I see no reason a man who has been elected to be a shepherd and defend the faith of a church that says its foundation is Scripture should have struggled with this vote. 

It was a clear choice - one between life and death - and both of these men chose death.  Lord have mercy.

May they remember this struggle when the Episcopal church finally closes its doors - or merges with the Unitarians.

[8] Posted by Jackie on 7-14-2012 at 05:45 PM · [top]

These dioceses will shrivel up and blow away like tumbleweeds.  Crap like this doesn’t sell in NW Texas and Oklahoma. . . .  Thanks be to God.

[9] Posted by Newbie Anglican on 7-14-2012 at 06:49 PM · [top]

These two successors to the Apostles may face a really tough time selling SS Blesingss to the eager faithful.  For 2002 to 2010 Dio of OK lost 14 percent of Members, 24 perrcent of ASA, 10 percent of inflation addjusted Plate & Pledge, 38 percent of Infant Baptisms, and 45 percent of Marraiges.  For tthe Dio of NW TX the losses were 18 percent of Members, 35 percent of ASA, 20 percent of inflation adjusted Plare & Pledge, 39 percent of Infant Baptisms, and 33 percent of Marraiges. Ah, the great Southwest where men are men and don’t need no women.  Statmann

[10] Posted by Statmann on 7-14-2012 at 07:12 PM · [top]

I don’t know Statmann. If both dioceses are losing faithful Christians, that could mean that number of revisionists in both dioceses has increased by some percentage and hence it might make it easier…... maybe. I don’t know anything about either diocese to know if this decision is going to be a hard sell to the folks in their dioceses or not.

[11] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 7-14-2012 at 07:27 PM · [top]

Jackie, I would suggest based on Statmann’s analysis that if they are going to merge with the Unitarians, they better get about it in a hurry.  NW Tx lost more than 1/3 of its attendance in 8 years- if they don’t merge soon, the Unitarians won’t have anyone left to merge with.

I am always a bit amused by how TEC can figure that when its ASA drops by 35%, there was only an 18% membership decline- you would think that for every active member you lose, you would lose an equal percentage of inactive members.

Or, from another way of looking at it, why is it at all important whether the people who don’t go to Church are members or not?  Oh, right, pledge dollars.

[12] Posted by tjmcmahon on 7-14-2012 at 07:35 PM · [top]

They probabaly would have lost their support from the 815 crowd if they had held to Scripture.  They certainly seem to have lost the support of their Dioceses if Statmann’s calculating is correct.

I think Episcopal record keepers are into Arithmancy without a Hogwarts degree, quite frankly.  No doubt my former and last episcopal diocese still counts me on the rolls despite my request of letter to another jurisdiction truly Anglican.

[13] Posted by dwstroudmd+ on 7-14-2012 at 10:48 PM · [top]

8 Jackie:  I am not sure if the response was to my post 7.  This site does not have the ability to directly respond or reply as many others do. 

However, if it is I do not think we have any basic disagreement other than yours was probably better stated.  When I said the bottom line is the vote, to me regardless of any other conflicts the vote is the vote and bottom line it says everything I need to know.  The disappointment was personal because I thought the Dio was headed in a better direction after the Moody debacle (I have no idea what changed that man). 

BTW do not count of Oklahomans merging any time soon with the Unitarians trust me.  The National Church well who the heck knows the Unitarians may be too conservative and they may find the Wiccans for all I know.

[14] Posted by tjb381 on 7-14-2012 at 11:03 PM · [top]

I have decided that the word “discern” is making me ill. And I am no longer an Episcopalian (thank God).

[15] Posted by sophy0075 on 7-14-2012 at 11:26 PM · [top]

Jeffersonian - I guess people like you and I (and the most other SFiF readers/writers) are idealistic.  We expect rules to be followed, standards to mean something and leaders to live up to their word and His.

[16] Posted by midwestnorwegian on 7-15-2012 at 05:33 AM · [top]

Thank you Stand Firm for publicising this.  The people of these dioceses are entitled to know how their bishops voted.

[17] Posted by MichaelA on 7-15-2012 at 07:46 AM · [top]

#16. Good point. We do expect rules to be followed. Alas, my experience tells me that those on the side of this theological chasm have NO qualms about ignoring or breaking the rules/canon when it suits their agenda. Hence their love of bring up faithful clergy on charges.

[18] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 7-15-2012 at 03:44 PM · [top]

#16, you’re in the wrong church if you expect that.  Rules are only used when they achieve the predetermined result.  When they do not, they are dispensed with and rule by caprice/whimsy/dictate takes over.

[19] Posted by Jeffersonian on 7-15-2012 at 03:54 PM · [top]

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