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July 15, 2012

S. C. Bishop Blasts National Church

Lawrence had earlier sought alternative leadership for his diocese, contending U.S. leaders did not represent the beliefs of his congregants. The Sunday letter seemed to significantly heighten that unease with the U. S. church. He said he plans to meet Monday with his Council of Advice and on Tuesday with the Diocesan Standing Committee. Beginning July 1, Lawrence said he would open meetings with deans and clergy.

“Given these changes in the doctrine, discipline and worship of the Episcopal Church, the question that is before us is: “What does being faithful to Jesus Christ look like for this diocese at this time?”

The Rev. Kendall S. Harmon, the canon theologian for the Diocese of South Carolina, said when interviewed Saturday: “It’s clear we have to separate ourselves from the false teaching. It’s not clear what the godly response is at the diocese.”

The entire article can be read here.

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Jackie, I appreciate how you presented this article, because it not only presents a little more background (at least from the eyes of the Carolina newspaper), but reviewing the comments posted after the article on the newspaper’s website illustrate the awful challenge facing Bible-believing Christians.

Those comments are full of hate and derision from people ranging from liberal Christians to unbelievers, and reflect how successful various media have been in convincing people at large that accommodating sexual sin and perversion are good.

It’s not shocking, Jesus Himself told us that neighbor would be set against neighbor.  But the scope, the energy…

American Christians have been spoiled unlike almost any other group of believers in having a history where our Christian beliefs have been both mainstream and expected.  We are entering a time, though, where we will be, in our own way, somewhat like Christians elsewhere in the world, where our beliefs will subject us to scorn and public abuse.  At least, as we take our stand, we will take it in good company.

[1] Posted by Father Wash-Ashore on 7-15-2012 at 05:30 AM · [top]

“Beginning July 1, Lawrence said”

The reporter is not a very careful reader.

[2] Posted by James Manley on 7-15-2012 at 06:50 AM · [top]

Except for the title, the article in The State newspaper is excellent esp as it includes PDF s of the letter. They are usually pretty good at getting their facts straight. 

Sigh, I hope there is time to consider what to do next and we are not forced into making a rash decision we will regret later. Time is what we need to make an informed decision that reflects as many in the diocese as possible.  I hope TEC leadership will not come in and change things by fiat!

[3] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 7-15-2012 at 07:34 AM · [top]

Once again, the secular media is starting to pick up on these things.  And really, the reporting isn’t that bad compared to how MSM often gets religious things badly wrong.  This article gets the essence of what happened pretty right, and it annexes the bishop’s letter so people can read for themselves.  Good to see.

[4] Posted by MichaelA on 7-15-2012 at 07:49 AM · [top]

Michael A, I am sure this article was written by a local staff writer at The State newspaper in Columbia, SC not by an AP writer. The State staff have covered the Diocese’s announcements for many years. Many are familiar with the problems. This well written article is exactly what I would expect from The State newspaper. I am sure Carolyn Click would be glad to hear your opinion. You can email her at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)

[5] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 7-15-2012 at 08:55 AM · [top]

Lawrence had earlier sought alternative leadership for his diocese, contending U.S. leaders did not represent the beliefs of his congregants.

I believe it would be more accurate to say that +Lawrence had previously sought to differentiate the leadership and doctrine of the diocese from the national leadership and doctrine as expressed by recent GC resolutions.  Many outside the diocese will read the text of the article to mean the diocese had sought oversight from another province, which has not happened, and which I personally do not anticipate.

[6] Posted by tjmcmahon on 7-15-2012 at 09:40 AM · [top]

Does anyone really think the lost souls in this country ‘differentiate’ the doctrine of the diocese of South Carolina from the National Church?  Guilt by association.  While still a member of TEC-right after 2003- I made many efforts to invite people to the Episcopal church I was attending.  Almost everytime I would hear something like ‘isn’t that the church that ____________?  I feel for the people in SC that have a heart for evangelism but will have this as a new hurdle.

[7] Posted by priestwalter on 7-15-2012 at 10:18 AM · [top]

priestwalter- “differentiation” is more for the poor souls IN South Carolina than out of it.  While SC may be held up as an example of what a diocese can do to distinguish itself from TEC, even the other CP minded bishops do not have the courage to take the steps SC has taken (and to some greater or lesser extent, their determination of the best course for their diocese may be influenced by the stance their local courts have taken in TEC lawsuits).  The impact of this outside of SC, other than its example, is limited, because you just can’t attend a SC church if you live in Illinois or California.  I daresay it probably does bolster their ASA a bit, as from comments it is obvious that there are substantial numbers of people, geographically located in neighboring dioceses, who are willing to make a drive in order to attend an orthodox service with an orthodox sermon.

+Lawrence is doing what he can short of leaving TEC altogether.

[8] Posted by tjmcmahon on 7-15-2012 at 11:29 AM · [top]

The reporter is not a very careful reader.

Accuracy is not one of the so-called mainstream media’s strengths.

[9] Posted by the virginian on 7-15-2012 at 01:55 PM · [top]

TJ, I believe the Diocese of South Carolina as one of several dioceses inTEC had indeed asked for APO- Alternate Primatial Oversight years ago. As I recall, nothing happened so here we are today doing our best to remain faithful while in TEC. Lord knows it is HARD!

[10] Posted by SC blu cat lady on 7-15-2012 at 03:15 PM · [top]

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