Matthew Turner is Very Upset

The link requires a login. Would one of our members so privileged quote the relevant content?  I didn’t eat at Chick Fil’a Wednesday but the large number who did were part of the lead story in the Asheville Citizen-Times.

Christopher Johnson rips goes through it pretty well at http://themcj.com/?p=34043 .

Basically it’s “Give the GLBTQXYZs everything they want because if you don’t, you’re full of hate and supporting hate.  You hate filled hater.”

Why do these people argue like 12 year olds?

Hi TomRightmyer…sorry about that…I fixed the link

Funny thing is that prior to all this blowing up, I’d never eaten at a Chick-fil-A before.  Last night was the second time in the last couple of weeks that I ate there.  Saw a couple of lesbians doing lesbian stuff.  Guess they thought they were scaring the fundies or something.  But nobody in the place cared.

I note that the author uses the term “hate” no less than 15 times in his diatribe. He fails to grasp the point entirely, the concept of family values and support of same, and attempts to paint those that cherish the God ordained family as a hate group.

Daniel aka Fisherman

So, where’s Greg’s whining baby pic?

The expressions of hate I’ve read about are that guy in the drive-thru haranguing an employee, and acts of vandalism against property.

Why do these people argue like 12 year olds?

It’s called stunted emotional development.  Although I was actually thinking 13. Junior High, in any case.

Turner doesn’t get it, or doesn’t want to.  CFA’s position on marriage and the rest of Christian life has been public knowledge for decades.  That’s not why we went (or, in my case, tried to go) to CFA on Wednesday.  We went because the jackbooted Forces of Tolerance in a number of cities declared their firm intent to impose a political purity test on CFA before deigning to allow them to do business there, a move more in synch with North Korea than America.

We right-wing madmen can see the writing on the wall here, and the agenda is anything but tolerance.  As it’s been mentioned her, gays have already sicced the State of Illinois on CFA for their beliefs, and elsewhere in Illinois other private businesses have been sued for failing to snap into line by agreeing to host gay wedding receptions.  Others have similarly been dragged into court for not wanting to photograph gay nuptials. 

If it were really about tolerance, gays would respect the beliefs of those that do not approve of their behavior (the very definition of “tolerance,” BTW) and patronize those that do.  But gay marriage, in my view, is just the cherry on a very large banana split.  The real treat here is all the coercive goodies that come with being a mascot of the Left and being able to use them against people you despise.

Don’t belittle these people.  They know what they are doing and they are doing it deliberately.  They want to win and they will use any means necessary.  They label you as a hater and bigot because that’s what they think you are and to intimidate and silence you.

They want to bring you into the range of hate crime laws so they can use the power of the state to silence and destroy you.  They are deadly serious about winning and we better be too.

Very wise words, Brother Michael.

Consider the complaints filed by the group The Civil Rights Agenda (TCRA) against Chick Fil A.  The allegations are laughable on their face and I doubt they will go forward.  But they are a warning sign of the tactics liberal groups will be using.  More importantly they are a way of steering public opinion towards the acceptance of punishing people for “thought” crimes.

I have no doubt that if you surveyed a number of college students they would agree that such complaints have merit.  The logic will be that GLBTQXYZ3.14 people are being emotionally damaged by their comprehension that not everyone approves of their behavior.  This emotional damage severely limits their enjoyment of life and their ability to function fully in their jobs and threatens the relationship they have with their family and friends.  Therefore though no physical act of harmful intent was ever done the results of a somebody’s beliefs are the same as if a physical act had occurred.  It is necessary than to limit the expression of certain beliefs in the public arena so that the rights and liberties belonging to GLBQXYZ3.14 will not be infringed.  The core right being for everyone to affirm them and not get their feelings hurt.

It should be called the “You’re a Big Meany” law.

Here is the article about the complaints, 
http://chicagophoenix.com/2012/08/02/the-civil-rights-agenda-files-several-complaints-against-chick-fil-a/

Matthew Turner isn’t alone. Rachel Held Evans wrote a blog post claiming to speak to both sides of the Chick-Fil-A matter, but it doesn’t take too long to figure out her sympathies clearly lie with the pro-gay rights crowd.

http://rachelheldevans.com/chick-fil-a

Br. Michael #9 nails it.  One of the tools is using fear in any form because they want to win at all costs.  It’s not about tolerance, it’s about complete surrender or total annihilation.  That’s what reminds me that Satan is behind the chaos - the extreme of the attack.  One of our strongest tools is prayer and we don’t use it enough.

#11, the virginian - It is also notable that the Rachel Held Evans blog posting is linked to from the home page of the United Methodist Church (http://www.umc.org).  The UMC hierarchy really needs to be required to register as lobbyists for the Democratic party.

Turner’s post is laughable in his totally off base assumptions like a “large group of people felt hated.”  Actually the LGBT crowd is a very small group of people.  The scary part is their recruitment efforts within the general population to paint anyone who doesn’t loudly affirm their behavior as homophobic haters.  Personally, I felt more hate towards Christians coming from the mayors of Chicago and Boston.

Dear Mods,  I had a brain poof and forgot you had an article posted about the TCRA lawsuit if you want to remove my direct link and link to your article please do so, as I don’t want to overstep any bounds.

People felt hate and we ignored that. At the end of the day, regardless of whether or not your Christian understanding of scripture harbors hate or not, a large group of people felt hated. Again, we can debate this point all day long, but that does not change the fact that people felt hatred because of what happened yesterday. Whether or not hate actually existed is not the point, people felt hated.

I don’t know about the folks who like to get gussied up in wedding drag for the cameras, but you couldn’t hurt the feelings of the hardcore left wing ideologues who lurk behind all this if you tried.

In A Christian-Libertarian’s Take On The Chick-fil-A Controversy, Bill Flax reminds us what it’s all about:

“Father of the New Left,” Herbert Marcuse explained, “Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left.” David Horowitz, a Red Diaper Baby and founding foot soldier of many leftist movements (who now exposes radicals and their methods), further clarifies, “The issue is never the issue. The issue is always the revolution.”

You better believe it!  I read Marcuse’s One Dimensional Man when I was still in high school and his infamous 1965 essay, Repressive Tolerance, from which the above quote is taken, is available online.  Go check it out.  And Horowitz is quite right.  The issue is always the revolution and “by any means necessary” is always permissible.

Marcuse was a rather unorthodox Marxist, but his faction has pulled ahead in the game.  The favored approach now is to dismantle the wall one brick at a time.  There are some very dark forces at work here, both secular and spiritual, and they aren’t doing too badly these days.  It’s OK with them if The Communist Manifesto stays on the shelf a while longer.

Another point Mr. Flax touches upon is the absurd notion that a civilized society should accommodate “gay marriage” for the sake of keeping the Church’s nose out of other people’s business:

Cathy hasn’t suggested criminalizing sodomy. What consenting adults do is between them and God. Legislating morality beyond the local community gets thorny. If two guys or two gals regard their couplings as marriage, fine, dub yourself married. It’s not marriage, but so what. Call yourself a hippopotamus for all anyone cares.

Where it cuts too far is forcing others to recognize such partnerships as morally and legally comparable to marriage. Sorry Mr. Cathy, but this supersedes the “political arena.” Radically redefining marriage in defiance of biology, common law precedent and cultural foundations exceeds the state’s proper sphere.

If politics has any role it is to defend this sacred institution, not to shoehorn progressive cloud-dancing into policy.

Families represent society’s essential cornerstone. The family far surpasses government in significance. Politicians cannot justly alter what constitutes a family unit into something it has never been. Marriage as one man and one woman, nothing more, nothing less and nothing else long predates America. Marriage is antecedent to government.

And if Matthew Paul Turner is a Christian, where is his concern that, above all else, people who are caught up in a lifestyle that Holy Scripture describes as an “abomination” in the eyes of God need to hear a message that freedom from sin and its consequences is possible for those who submit themselves to the Lordship of Jesus Christ?

I am very sorry that conservative Christians sometimes say crude and insensitive things, and we are all guilty of doing that occasionally when we are not at our best.  But what could possibly be more hateful than failing to confront any miserable sinner with the gospel’s call to faith and repentance, or more misguided than trying to facilitate their journey to hell by giving in to whatever they want?

Excellent post, Episcopalienated.

So if I don’t support gay marriage, I am guilty of what man has deemed to be a hate crime, and if I support gay marriage I am guilty of enabling a brother in what God has deemed to be an abomination.

So why do people have a problem figuring out what to do?

There’s a stark illogic in arguing about the inherent wrong in someone feeling hated.  To do some implies that one cannot love his neighbor as his self and the neighbor feel hated at the same time.  Such logic equates loving neighbor with the neighbor’s feelings; or, if you wish, puts primacy on the neighbor’s feelings over and above the love shown to him.  Wrong.  Silly.  Sophomoric.  Sad.

Those gay folk who push these agendas appear to have no problem with asserting that they represent all gay people.  I have never read or heard the words, some of us feel or think this, and some of us don’t.  What is asserted comes at us like a missile, a missile loaded for destruction.

And so I wonder why the world stops and listens to this voice-of-every-gay-person-who-has-ever-lived.  This group fought and won the battle to have bathhouses reopened in the era of rampant AIDS infestation.  This group fought and won the battle to close down adoption agencies that didn’t kowtow to their demands.

Given just these two battles that it (the gay community, every single one of them) has fought and won, why isn’t it seen that the fight for gay “marriage” is just another one of their battles?  Why aren’t the three battles seen as equal in values and morals? 

It isn’t about “marriage,” it isn’t about “curing” homophobia, and it isn’t about anything positive and healing in the world.  It’s about annihilating Christianity.  Others have tried to do this and have succeeded.  But only for a time.

Thank you Matt [3] for the link.  The Asheville paper did not have any news about the counter demonstration Friday.

What happened on August 1st was something Americans and Christians can be proud of.  Tyranny was put in its place in a peaceful and very positive way.

And cooler-than-thou Matthew Turner crapped all over it.

Yes, I did take him to task for it:
http://wannabeanglican.blogspot.com/2012/08/5-reasons-matthew-paul-turner-failed.html

I find him and his ilk insufferable.

19, of course you are correct.  The fight over Chick Fil A is a continuation of the bullying and thuggery you mentioned.  There are other examples, but as you correctly point out the battle is over Christianity and its values.

The Giblets are only the latest attack on the Gospel.  But I think God is using this issue to sort out the wheat from the chaff and preparing us for a time of persecution and testing.  Certainly we can see all the way back in Genesis 19 where this is headed.  We can either live in Sodom or we can come out from among them and live a life that God calls us to lead.

Interesting.  Jim’s entourage isn’t particularly onboard with Turner.

We foreigners can’t participate in this, but I just wanted to say how impressed I am with the way so many Christians took it upon themselves to make a silent witness in support of this business.

My conclusion: what Americans really hate is being lectured by the liberal establishment.

#26 Not to mention being denied their first amendment rights. “We can shut down this huge chain of stores by denying them building permits, based on the mere religious expression of the owner. If we can crush them, imagine what we can do to YOU”. It was a move meant to intimidate, and I think people responded with the appropriate level of concern about letting them get away with it.

a few more “test cases” you might find interesting.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/gays-picket-cake-shop-owned-by-christian-baker.html

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/08/occupy-chicago-activist-claims-to-be-person-taunting-homeless-man-at-chick-fil-a-protest/

Did you hear the latest?  According to this doofus:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wallace-best-phd/chick-fil-a-and-the-standard-of-love_b_1756776.html?utm_hp_ref=religion

if you go to Chick-fil-A, you not only hate gays you’re also kind of a racist.  Stop all your racist hating, you racist haters.

CJ— This is a good example of why going to an Ivy League school is no longer worth the money they try to charge you.